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Bormally sunnis then say that Ali and the prophet are dead. So you need to have more points to debate about.

So when you ask prophet's help when he is alive it is NOT shirk and if you ask help of a prophet who has returned to his lord IT IS shirk?????

Thats what they say.

The prophet can not do anything now.

Muhammad Mahdi wrote:The prophet can not do anything now.

Most Islamic historians agree on the fact that the last Prophet of God was a martyr in that he was poisoned by the Jews of Khaibar. This is what the Quran says about martyrs:

وَلاَ تَحْسَبَنَّ الَّذِينَ قُتِلُواْ فِي سَبِيلِ اللّهِ أَمْوَاتًا بَلْ أَحْيَاء عِندَ رَبِّهِمْ يُرْزَقُونَ
{169}

[3:169] And reckon not those who are killed in Allah's way as dead; nay, they are alive (and) are provided sustenance from their Lord;

I know. I tell that to those who reject but they are blind, deaf and worse than cattle.

great link on ebook..will def download n read... but i feel no matter what you do even if you break your head in 2 pieces, sunnis will never agree to anything they r kind of brain washed.

I know. They even come up with some of the false traditions from Bukhari and Muslim claiming that the prophet condemned tawassul

Click on the link below to read on the validity of Tawassul with references from sunni books.
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/ ... /index.php









"The Holy Quran has outward and inward meanings, and Ali Ibn Abi Talib has the knowledge of both."
[Hilyatul Awliyaa, by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p65]